2025-2029 Forecast - Part 4: JD Vance: A Hard Right Turn Into the Fog

Here’s a profile of Vance I wrote July 15th-23rd, 2024, but never posted because it wouldn’t matter unless Trump won.

Usually VPs don’t matter much, but as you’ll see, Vance’s chart and transits are key to understanding what will transpire over the next few years.

 

 

Okay, so today Trump announced his running mate, J.D. Vance, and we should take a look at his chart to see what it can tell us.

There's no time of birth available for him yet, so we won't be able to see any transits to his Ascendant or Midheaven, but we can still get a good look at most of what he has going on.

Birth Chart: A Mixed Bag

First, his birth chart shows his Leo Sun is square Saturn exactly, which puts a real damper on things. Makes one much more stern, demanding, and an authority figure, especially since his Saturn is in Scorpio.

His Sun is also trine Uranus, which helps with being inventive, original, and an agent of change. And his Mercury is trine Jupiter and sextile Saturn, which would make him good at communications and writing, as with his book.

His Mercury is also square Uranus, giving him a quick mind along with eccentric ideas, especially about reform and inventions.

His Venus is square Mars, which shows conflict with women. And with his Mars in Scorpio, he has a lot of strength and intensity to call on, but he can be very stubborn, aggressive, and likely to lash out or abuse his power.

Here’s what Michael McClain had to say about this placement.

     You are strong, self-reliant, extremely efficient, and highly self-disciplined. An intensity of purpose surrounds all that you undertake. This position illustrates the "do or die" principle very well. You may have an innate ability to transform other people in some significant way. You think of yourself as a "take control" person and a force to be reckoned with.
     You're a loyal friend, or a bitter enemy, you never forget a betrayal. Slow to anger, you rarely lose control, but when your ire is raised, you get even, and you can do so with frightening detachment. Proud, dignified, strong-willed, and stubborn.

[1/22/25 Note: As Vance himself once said, “Even at my best I’m a delayed explosion.”]

And finally, he has Jupiter conjunct Neptune. This is a sign of a spiritual seeker, an artist, or a dreamer. At its best it makes one like a priest, out to share the gospel, but liable to believe anything simply because one wants to. And like a priest, he can convince others, as well, which is why such people need to watch themselves for delusions.

Also, while Neptune is in the last degrees of Sagittarius, which shows his interest in religion, Jupiter is in the first degrees of Capricorn, the sign of conservatives and big business. And so this would align him with conservative Christian groups, like Project 2025, that would see themselves as saviors.

[1/22/25 Note: Vance shows his beliefs in this quote, which I don’t think he’s aware is the ultimate self-own: “I knew that the Antichrist — or at least, the Antichrist’s spiritual adviser — would be a Catholic.”]

Transits: Tough and Tougher

Now let's check out his transits and see how Vance’s next four years will go.

Saturn

Saturn square Neptune     April 2025 - Feb 2026
If he’s elected, once in office, he’ll soon find that it’s much harder to put one’s ideals into form. Authorities and laws will restrict him and for most of his first year he’ll become discouraged and uncertain what to do.

Saturn trine Uranus, Sun, and Venus      April 2026 - Feb 2028
The next year things will go much better, with a great line-up of getting work done.

Saturn opposite Pluto      July 2027 - April 2028
At the start of the next election year, when it will be his turn to campaign for President, Saturn will overwork him, and there may well be power struggles, especially if he’s abused his power before this. And yet this could also be a high point of his career.

Saturn opposite Saturn      June 2028 - March 2029
For the rest of that election year, he again has a sign of being at his peak of success, in that Saturn will be halfway through its 29 year cycle. It’s a time when you have to slow down and dig in, but if you’ve been responsible in your work, it’s likely you’ll get recognition.
 

And since this will be during the convention and on through the rest of the election, when he might well be competing against Trump, this rings true.

     Your relationships with your partner, family and colleagues may be tested regarding strength, dependability or loyalty. This especially applies to people you feel some responsibility for, have shared responsibilities with, or are your superiors. Relationships strained over recent years may end or be subject to restructuring.
     - Astrology King

Saturn opposite Sun      June 2028 - March 2029

At the very same time, this transit to his Sun shows him being challenged and discouraged. But with such a strong, stubborn chart, he’ll pull through.

By the way, if he does become President in 2029, he’ll have a tough first two years of it, with Saturn opposite his Mars and square his Venus, Ascendant, and Mercury.


Uranus

Uranus square Venus      May 2023 - March 2025

He’s halfway through this one, which makes one want to try different things in your relationships and can signal a change in one’s fortunes. But whatever starts under a Uranus square transit, however exciting it is at first, rarely lasts for long.

I think this one sums up the honeymoon phase of his partnership with Trump. Especially because this transit ends just as that depressing Saturn transit kicks in at the start of the next administration.

Uranus square Mercury      June 2026 - May 2028

While Trump will have Neptune square Mercury at this time, filling his head with fog and delusions, Vance will feel like he’s plugged his head into a data center. Lots of info and ideas. All that nervous energy will tense him up and could lead to rash decisions and car accidents. He'll also be pulled to radical ideas and get flack for it, especially if he’s too dogmatic in sharing those ideas. He was born with this aspect, so he's used to being this way, but the transit will bring it out even more.

Uranus opposite Uranus      Aug 2026 - Mar 2029

The Uranus cycle’s halfway point, at 41-42 years, is often a time when people suddenly break away from whatever has been holding them back. They leave their jobs or marriages or take up an entirely new lifestyle. It’s known as the mid-life crisis. So this one will bring a very restless and rebellious attitude, and his relationship with Trump could be in jeopardy if he kicks at the restraints too much.


Neptune

Neptune square Neptune      Mar 2023 - Mar 2025

This one is challenging all his ideals and showing which ones are practical and which can never be. It’s very disillusioning, where you question your life and reevaluate. He should be both wary of being deceived and the temptation to deceive others.

And right when that one runs out in the spring...

Neptune square Jupiter      Apr 2025 - Jan 2028

If Trump wins, this transit will run for Vance’s first three years as Vice President. Remember how he was born with Jupiter conjunct Neptune? This is the same, only much more so, with Neptune really fogging things up and making him overconfident and gullible.

At its highest, Neptune rules compassion and service, and this will fuel those intentions, but Neptune also rules illusions, and with this, he’ll probably feel he’s doing the best for the nation, but won’t notice how misguided he is. And with all the right-wing Christian leaders telling him he’s a prophet come to save America, he’ll be hard-pressed to see clearly.

[Note: This is the same once-in-a-lifetime transit the nation is getting at almost exactly the same time - June 2025 - Feb 2029. This shows Vance’s ideas are going to lead us into both temptation and a harsh disappointment when it’s over.]

     Your fantasies may take the form of an overdeveloped belief in your own strength and power. You may feel that you cannot lose, but if you succumb to this belief, the day will come when you lose very badly, and then your foolish overconfidence will be replaced with defeat and discouragement.
     Be particularly careful to avoid wild speculations and risks, for you will almost certainly lose out; you aren't paying enough attention to the reality of the situation, and you are seeing only what you want to see. You are more than usually gullible at this time, especially if someone flatters your sense of importance.
     You may take a somewhat more exalted but equally futile path by becoming involved in a religious or spiritual movement that makes you lose all touch with reality.
     - Robert Hand, Planets in Transit

Summing Up

So you put all those together, and Vance’s first year will be dashed illusions, and his second will go well until halfway through, when he’ll become rebellious. And that’s when he’ll act on his delusions as Neptune clouds everything and he feels pushed to be the leader that Trump failed to be.

Synastry: All About Eve, But With Daggers

So if they win the election, how will Vance get along with Trump? For that we look at the synastry of their charts, which compares how they match up.

The good - Vance will help Trump deliver his message better (his Mercury conjunct Trump’s Ascendant, his Saturn trine Trump’s Mercury).

Vance’s Pluto is trine Trump’s Sun, which gives Trump a lot of power and support, and Vance’s Sun is conjunct Trump's Pluto, showing them uniting in a quest for power.

Trump likes the guy (Venus conjunct Mars and Ascendant, Mars trine Venus), and at first they should work well together (Moon trine Sun, Mars trine Venus and Saturn). What’s more, Vance’s ideals and delusions support Trump (Neptune trine Mars and Ascendant).

But there's a lot of deception here. Vance’s Jupiter is square Trump's Neptune, boosting Trump's delusions, especially in regard to religion. (And as shown above, both Vance’s Neptune/Jupiter conjunction and Trump’s Neptune are getting hard aspects from Neptune for most of their term, pushing this even more.)

Also, Vance’s Neptune is conjunct Trump's Moon and opposite Trump’s Sun, again showing signs of deceiving him.

     The Neptune individual [Vance] is confusing and evasive toward the Sun individual, while the authoritarian tendencies of the Sun individual [Trump] can disturb the emotional sensitivities of the Neptune individual.
     Deceptiveness or evasion can cause a breakdown of the relationship. Even with the best of intentions, there can be confusion and misrepresentation.
     - Sakoian/Acker, The Astrology of Human Relationships

Their Neptunes are even square, which shows they have different ideals they want to pursue, and won’t have an understanding of each other’s beliefs.

What’s more, there's loads of possible conflict.

     Mars square Mars

     Important differences are indicated in the natives' approaches to personal action, professional ambition, and business affairs. Any attempts to order each other around or coerce each other will result in conflict and resentment. The natives are apt to dare or goad each other to ill-considered, impulsive acts. Outbursts of temper and, in extreme cases, physical combat can occur with this combination. This is not a good combination for professional or corporate business partnerships.

     Mars Opposition Midheaven

     The Midheaven individual [Trump] is likely to regard the Mars individual as inconsiderate of emotional feelings and family harmony. The Mars individual [Vance] can regard the Midheaven individual as emotionally supersensitive, indolent, and set in his or her ways.

     Mars Square Ascendant

     The natives will have difficulty in getting along harmoniously in marriage and other domestic or professional partnerships. The Ascendant individual [Trump] is likely to consider the Mars individual as selfish, inconsiderate, and domineering. The Mars individual [Vance] may feel impatient with the personal idiosyncrasies of the Ascendant person. Generally, the natives are annoyed and impatient with each other.

Plus, Vance’s Saturn is square Trump’s Pluto, and Trump’s Saturn is square Vance’s Pluto. Saturn rules authority, and Pluto rules dominance, so there’s going to be some real power struggles here.

     This indicates mutual distrust and intrigue in political, professional, business, or corporate affairs. There can be a struggle for power and supremacy in achieving professional, financial, or political power and status. There can be a lack of concern for long-range ecological consequences of industrial or scientific activities which were motivated by selfish desire for money, power, and status.

Drill, baby, drill, indeed. And they'll be slapping each other around as they do it.

In short, they’ll work together well at first, but eventually the illusions will fall and Trump will see Vance has a hidden agenda. And Trump, who uses and discards everyone, doesn't like to be used.

This is all speculation, of course, but going by their synastry, it’s hard to believe they’ll make it through the next four years without some serious disagreements at best and outright conflict at worst. Trump and Pence had their own falling out, and their synastry was not as bad as this.

Wrapping Up

Vance is likely to stumble at times as he gets his feet under him during his first year as VP, but once he gets the lay of the land, and sees how he can do everything better than Trump, he's not going to have the patience to wait three years as Trump ruins his chances of moving up, but will quickly work to push Trump out of his way.

Or, just as likely, Trump will turn the tables on him and Project 2025, simply for daring to tell him what to do. Remember, Trump’s transits for the next few years will be highly unpredictable, volatile, and full of delusion.

 

 

It's Jan 22, 2025 now, and Vance's birth data has been published. This adds a lot of fuel to the fire, and we'll cover that in our next post, JD Vance: Update.